• Embezzlement and Theft


• Wire Fraud


• Bank Fraud


• Conspiracy to Defraud


• Money Laundry

• Ricdic


• Hexxx


• Athre


• LaVista Vista


• Mr. Horizontal


• SencneS


• Sentry Raven


• Shar Tegral


• Proton Power


• Ray McCormack

Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Is this a joke?

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Are you suggesting that people should support class action over something that belongs to CCP?

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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You are also suggesting that people who had nothing to do with the disappearence of the ISK should be charged.

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Originally by: Gentileman

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...(not scamming, thsi is pure incompetence, like most 'scams')...

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Originally by: Ray McCormack

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I plead guilty and would like to plea bargain by turning state witness against Omber Zombie.

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Originally by: iP0D

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Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Why are you even mentioning CCP? You know that's not going to get you anywhere, as they will just give you their middlefinger.

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Originally by: Carine Parnasse

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The funds were legally obtained and havent been laundered in the slightest, nor is there need in eve since the definition of your money is the money in your wallet, regardless of where it came from.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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I as judge og these procedings, rule ebank and all employees NOT GUILTY..

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Originally by: Rhivre

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Originally by: Block Ukx

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Originally by: iP0D

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Also, aside of the spelling error, I am really curious about the "money laundering" bit, do tell more.

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"Money laundering is the practice of disguising illegally obtained funds so that they seem legal. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is a key operation of the underground economy."


Quoted from here.

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However, is it a crime in the jurisdiction of concord?

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Originally by: Ray McCormack

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How do you establish the nearly 10 trillion ISK forfeiture?

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Originally by: Irata Skyfire

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Taking the EBank case to ... ECourt ?

Or just a clever way to get a list of account holders with their account balances, complete with an estimate of how much you'd have to pay them once trading frozen accounts is enabled by EBank, before the competition does ?

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Originally by: Rhivre

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Originally by: Block Ukx

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The charges are put forward by the citizens of New Eden. Any New Eden citizen should qualify as a juror.

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This is fine, however, the criminal charges have to be relevent in the jurisdiction in which you are bringing the case. And I am not entirely sure where concord stands on this. You cannot bring criminal charges for a law that has not been broken.

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Originally by: Ray McCormack

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Originally by: Block Ukx

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Without a doubt, there is ample evidence to prosecute those responsible for the collapse of EBANK and subsequent lost of funds.

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Where is this evidence?

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Originally by: Proton Power

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Ricdic - Agree, well he did scam 250bil isk. If it was not for this I would disagree, ricdic did tons of work for EBANK while a lot of BOD did nothing.

Hexxx - Agree, he is the one that says its not a public company and they don't have to report anything. See what happens when you dont report.

Athre - Maybe, when I was with EBANK athre did tons of work, and had very little say in what was going on. Not sure how much she has to do with them cutting off funds right now, which is why its a maybe.

LaVista Vista - Agree, he was one of the people that seen the reports I posted below and did nor said nothing on them, this information will be posted next to my name.

Mr. Horizontal - Same as above, but he did ask for reporting and fight for it. We had many disagreemnts on things but he wanted things more public and more reporting.

SencneS - Goes with LaVista.

Sentry Raven - Goes with LaVista.

Shar Tegral - He left Ebank because he seen the problems occuring and told the public about them.

Proton Power - I left Ebank, but what I did do for Ebank made it BILLIONS in isk. Just in the T2 BPO resales they made more than 50bil isk in profit, and this does not include the freighter program I started and handed over to AC, and the t2 building and manipulation I was doing.

I am also the person that about 2mths ago that let everyone know about the scam and defaulted loans.

I am also the person at the time I was in EBANK that kept saying the loans were not working the way they were doing them, I went through and audited and reported who was and was not paying back the loans, and who was going to default, most these posts were ignored, Athre at that time I don't think seen these which is why I say maybe to hers.



Ray McCormack - Disagree

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Originally by: Ray McCormack

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Edited by: Ray McCormack on 28/08/2009 16:27:59

Originally by: Proton Power

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the freighter program I started and handed over to AC

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That venture and handover was a joke. It made bugger all ISK. AC worked his butt off trying to return 5% on it when it wasn't even possible.

Edit. Not saying it's your fault, but don't claim it as the profit machine it clearly wasn't.

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Originally by: Rhivre

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Originally by: iP0D

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2) Do not invest that which you cannot afford to lose ...

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Afford to lose does not mean its ok to commint a crime.


BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk

Originally by: HawkBlade

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Originally by: Block Ukx

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• Shar Tegral

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I am comfortable with answering any allegations of my activities while I was employed by eBank. Any suspicions upon myself are easily removed from review of my public statements. If that is not enough I retained a multitude of exculpatory evidence in the form of a forum backup (Good upto the day I resigned) where my private concerns and worries were effusively displayed.

The only time I handled any funds for eBank was when I worked as a teller. A complete and total record of all of those funds are readily available.

The only gain I ever got was 500 million isk paid to me post facto for time and services rendered. I am more than comfortable returning these funds to eBank, or receivership, at a moment's notice.

While I am surprised that my name should reappear within the drama that is eBank in truth there is only one thing I find disconcerting. You failed to name one prime contributor to the collapse of eBank: Selene D'Celeste

Do you perchance have a relationship with this defendant you are covering for?

PS: I can be contacted for further discussion either via evemail or SCC channel. I will not indulge your jackassery on these forums any further than I have just done.

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Originally by: Agent Known

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Okay, and how do you plan to "punish" these people? Wardeccing them?

Seriously, it's virtual money. It's also EVE....nothing like EVE to cause e-drama to a point where someone has to roleplay a lawsuit.

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Originally by: Crosskeys

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Originally by: Gentileman

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This is just going to end up with you looking like an impotent sad little man ...but you;re just going to make yourself look like a fool.

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Toooooo late.

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Originally by: Athre

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Is this just a crazy joke or are you quite serious?

What exactly is it we broke intentionally?

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• Embezzlement and Theft


• Wire Fraud


• Bank Fraud


• Conspiracy to Defraud


• Money Laundering

Originally by: Omber Zombie

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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May I suggest that we ask for CCP to assemble a jury for fanfest? Beer should be involved, obviously.

Then cheap laughs can be had by everybody.

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can i be on the jury or do i have to represent ebank?

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Originally by: Saehta

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You need an ingame court before you can file an ingame charge

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Originally by: Jin Nib

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I'd find this alot more intresting and amusing if CCP wern't on the defendants list. I really don't get why they would be (esspecaily if this thing is supposed to be an in game... thing). But then again he included Ray on the list who simply had the misfortune to turn over the rose and find the turd.

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Originally by: Jin Nib

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Also I don't understand why he presumes to speak on behalf of the citezens of New Eden.

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Originally by: Ji Sama

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there are no rules or laws in caldari space that has been broken.

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Originally by: Jin Nib

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The 'law' really doesn't care about giant space scams, and the rest of us merely try and avoid them.

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Originally by: Rhivre

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No, you cannot have a trial without having a law being broken.

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Originally by: Athre

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Block please clarify your charges ... So I say again - Clarification please on EXACTLY what it is you are complaining about.

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Originally by: Athre

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While you are at it, Please explain to everyone why your stock can not be resold at face value...

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Originally by: Fitz VonHeise

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For those who like to look at the start of EBANK I did some research. If there is another thread showing the start let me know.



I listed them from oldest to newest.

▪ EBANK Accounts: Information on how to reserve one (NONE LEFT)

▪ EBANK: Question to the Public (Launch is next week by the way)

▪ EBANK Update: Account changes, Phase 2, "The Future", and More!

▪ [EBANK] - Phase II Completed and News

▪ Official EBANK Announcement: PHASE III

▪ EBANK Status Update (PHASE III Coming to Conclusion)

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Originally by: Treelox

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Hurray for me having resisted attempts to recruit me to EBANK's BoD for the last +2 years.


That said, lol at the OP's whole idea. Yeah lets criminally charge the guilty, dock their sec status....ohhh noes....now they will have to use alts to get ships to them from high sec.

Seriously Block, what a joke this thread is, what is even sadder is I suspect your deadly serious.

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Originally by: Rhivre

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Having considered the (lack of) evidence put forward by the plaintiff, I believe this case would not make it to a court anywhere in New Eden.


Firstly, because of the non existence of one of the defendents (CCP came back as not known on all recognised search systems)
Secondly, because the plaintiff has not provided any evidence of law-breaking on the part of any of the named parties.

Exhaustive search of documentation has not provided any evidence suggesting that any of the activities alleged to have occurred are in breach of any treaties, legislation, or otherwise recognised laws.

I therefore suggest that this potential suit is dropped before any further potential costs are incurred.

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Originally by: HawkBlade

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Originally by: Athre

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Poison, would you like to help EBANK liquidate? I know you often push your 20% limit on MinMa shares, we have plenty.

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This is the hidden point behind Block's activities. Some of eBank's remaining equity is invested in Block. If eBank was to liquidate Block would get his own debt back at a greatly reduced rate. In essence, Block is drumming up drama so that he can specifically rip off eBank customers.

My personal annoyance revolves around two points:

First, by naming myself, and few faultless others, you destroy any credibility in this action. Furthermore our statements of defense will create cover for those much more culpable. Simply put, you intentionally muddied the waters.

Secondly, it was bad enough that I was ridiculed, trolled, flamed, crucified, and finally relegated as "disgruntled" when I tried warning you and the rest of the public here about the failings I saw. Now your dumb ass wants to do it to me a second time.

Screw you, jenius.

PS: See, that's why this is going to go nowhere. You say your are roleplaying and that you are deadly serious. All I see is a serious jackass in deadly levels of denial.

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Originally by: HawkBlade

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Might I add that you also forgot to charge the public as part of this law suit. My moral outrage is greatly diminished from the efforts I made to warn them. The public saw fit to make a comedy show out of my warnings and the production cost was a whopping 1.4 trillion isk.

Tough **** if they are not happy with what they bought.

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Originally by: Rhivre

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I believe, as Block has said, that he and I are of different opinions as to whether any crime has occured against the populace of New Eden.

If indeed he wishes to push for a pre-trial hearing in order to clarify this matter, then I am happy to state my case.

However, I believe an expert on the laws of each faction would have to be approached, as legality between the states that make up new eden varies (I am assuming we are in agreement that the factions which operate outside of Concord are not to be included).

Also, as Mr Nelson has stated, appointment of a judge and jury would indeed be an issue.

As Block is no doubt aware, the jury has to be open minded, despite any prejudice they may have following interstellar media reports, and as Mr Nelson states, they can have no relationship with any of the accused, either in a business, or more than a passing personal relationship.

For the record, I am happy to represent the defendents. I have no interests, nor interaction with their prior business, and whilst it is publicly recorded that I am a member of LaVista Vistas alliance I do not believe that this constitutes a conflict of interest.

However, as stated at the start of this message, before Block can proceed with his case, it must first be established that there is a case to answer.

It should also be noted that I am also of the opinion that there is insufficient grounds for either a criminal, or civil suit.

I suggest the first course of action should be to refer to our more learned friends within the intergalactic summit,as there are more knowledgeable persons on this subject than either Block or myself.

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Originally by: Karanth

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Ok, now that I have laid my groundwork here, I feel I can proceed.

Block, what the **** is your brain doing, that it calls this terrible mockery of rational thought worth not only considering, but typing out and then defending?

How could you possibly believe that this farce would actually result in anything of worth aside from inspiration for trolling? I'll address the "charges" from first an ingame perspective, and then an out-of-game viewpoint.

Firstly, under what authority do you charge EBank, let alone CCP, a not-in-game entity, with any of your listed accusations? The Yulai Conventions make no reference to, or provision for, non-CONCORD personnel such as yourself to bring forth charges against anyone. No Empire would ever bring them on behalf of you in front of the Inner Circle, as they would be laughed right out of the chambers.

On top of that, aside from using SCC-controlled fluid routers for money transfers, the SCC has no real standing in this case. At best, they could show that EBank, in a non-CONCORD-enforced contract, promised to give people money if they were sent money first. You can twist your language as you like, but that's what it is, and is no more worthy of CONCORD notice than your average 10x scam, or "forgetting" a zero on your contract for minerals or a Raven.

And now, how do you propose to make this joke indictment over internet space bucks work? Why start now, as opposed to all the other failures and scams of the past? If you claim size, then you lose any moral grounds to demand justice. Pray tell, what sort of legal procedure should we be using? American? Icelandic? Maybe just list out the 100 most important and well-known legal systems and see what the DOW end-of-trade numbers say we should use, in the best MD fashion?

Ooh, ooh, what about punishments? We can't forget that we need to determine a punishment for these crimes. We can't use the RL charges as those work under the understanding that legal tender is being used, not pretend money on a server in London.

Oh, but to apply these charges, we need an impartial judge, and jury. Now, who would be best to choose for these tasks? First though would be Chribba, as every inbred banjo-playing ****** can squeeze the only name they know out between drooling fits. But I would liken the odds of him wasting time here to be the same that every single WoW server simultaneously reformats itself irrecoverably.

Well, there is always CCP for a job of final oversight- oh, wait. They are named on the "indictment." Well, maybe T20 can come back for a guest appearance?

You have no way to perform any of the needed functions of a court of law, and no one here does. CCP does not either, as due process isn't a right, freedom of speech isn't a right, and transparency is as much as CCP wants.

Aside from possibly one of the better trolls in a while, and the satisfaction of a job well done on that I might add, you have nothing to gain, and more to lose. I'd say you'd be risking the respect of your peers, but really, who at this point really, in the last year, has trusted anyone farther than they can drive to their house and pummel them? I put cash into EBank, I took cash out of EBank, and I knew from the very first that the only person to blame if I lost money from it would be me.

Now, with all of that out of the way, we can get back on with this magnificent troll you got going here. I'll be back in a bit to toast a few marshmallows on that flaming over there.

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Originally by: Solisk

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Block, any idea when you'll be able to release a compiled list of your findings?

I'm also curious as to how much cooperation you're receiving from Ebank staff, former and current.

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